When a Christian spouts off about all the other evidences and proofs out there that a biblical Jesus existed, other than, that is, the four gospels written by anonymous church-hired writers in the New Testament, demand they kindly provide these proofs. Are they going to list Josephus or other Roman historians that either did not live during the time of Jesus or did not actually write about him per se, but rather the appearance of the new religion Christianity.
It is largely accepted that the few passages in Josephus that mention Jesus were added in later, as the paragraphs are out of context with the sentences that come before and after. And even if a historian is found who lived during Jesus’ alleged lifetime and did write about him, all that proves is that a person named Jesus existed. I believe in that part of the world, it is not an uncommon name.
All I ask for is evidence. Christianity lost credibility for me when I realized that the bible is not true. When I figured out that there were verses clearly put into it not because they were god’s teachings but because some religious group wanted to dictate certain laws and rules over the common people, and especially to subjugate certain people, most especially women, as is typical of all man-made, patriarchal religions.
Once I figured out that some verses in the bible couldn’t possibly be from god or god inspired, then all of a sudden the entire book became suspect. How am I, with my puny little mind, supposed to weed out what is really from god and what isn’t really from god? Between that and the blatant errors in the bible (god the all powerful can’t smite chariots made of iron? Hello???), the bible stopped being, in my eyes, anything real.
Some Christians readily admit the bible is nothing more than a fairy tale or myths–legends, etc. But they still believe. I fail to see how the religion can have a leg to stand on if the bible is not true, if the story of Adam and Eve and original sin is not true? Without that story of original sin there ceases to be a need for religion, or god, or saviors. There ceases to be a need for Christianity. This is the only reason why the Christian bible still has the old testament included–because they need that all important absurd story of talking snakes and the original sin.
Talk to a Christian, they will tell you about Christian writers who disagree. Well, no surprise there. I say, read the testimonials of learned Christians–men and women who went to Seminary and taught this stuff and knew the bible inside out and STILL unconverted–lost their faith–stopped believing. These are the people I would be interested in hearing from. Not the people who just say the same things I had to hear over and over and over–repeating the same well worn pages and hi-lighted verses, and ignoring completely the other three quarters of this book.
Before a Christian has the right to tell me their god is good, they need to read the entire bible. They need to tell me how a good and loving deity does what the god of the old testament does, and answer the illogic of an all knowing god deliberately creating flawed human beings, and then punishing them for being flawed.